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		<title>By: d</title>
		<link>http://welshrugbyblog.co.uk/gavin-henson-some-facts/comment-page-1/#comment-1637</link>
		<dc:creator>d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2010 14:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old topic but...

The guy comes across as thinking he is bigger than Welsh rugby. 

In the ScrumV interview he is largely talking about self accomplishments not how he wants to work hard and do things for the whole team. I get the feeling he just wants to be able to say he went to a world cup. Definitely did not come across as humble in the ScrumV interview which is what I think will need to happen for the welsh players to accept him within a team. The problem with Henson is regardless of talent, he is just as likely to mess up the morale of the Wales team. One to three games to get back in a 6 nations wales side... very humble and modest Mr. Henson!</description>
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<p>The guy comes across as thinking he is bigger than Welsh rugby. </p>
<p>In the ScrumV interview he is largely talking about self accomplishments not how he wants to work hard and do things for the whole team. I get the feeling he just wants to be able to say he went to a world cup. Definitely did not come across as humble in the ScrumV interview which is what I think will need to happen for the welsh players to accept him within a team. The problem with Henson is regardless of talent, he is just as likely to mess up the morale of the Wales team. One to three games to get back in a 6 nations wales side&#8230; very humble and modest Mr. Henson!</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Henson is Going to be a Star &#124; Welsh Rugby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin Henson is Going to be a Star &#124; Welsh Rugby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 10:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] all he is yet to land that endorsement he truly wants &#8211; a Tango advert. Now before I have defended Gavin Henson, even his time off. But this one takes the biscuit, he has gone from telling us he wishes he [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] all he is yet to land that endorsement he truly wants &#8211; a Tango advert. Now before I have defended Gavin Henson, even his time off. But this one takes the biscuit, he has gone from telling us he wishes he [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Laura tartchops</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura tartchops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come home Gav....we&#039;ll be waiting with open arms!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come home Gav&#8230;.we&#8217;ll be waiting with open arms!</p>
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		<title>By: Jamo</title>
		<link>http://welshrugbyblog.co.uk/gavin-henson-some-facts/comment-page-1/#comment-986</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 05:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For anyone who doubts Henson&#039;s talent watch Wales vs Ireland 2009 paying attention to him you&#039;ll see he organized the defence, made the odd clean break and  put players in space. At one point when he was at fullback well into the 2nd half he effortlessly flicked a pass to the other side of the pitch to stem a counter attack whereas any other fullback under that kind of pressure in their own 22 would have kicked for touch. 
I support Ireland but there is no denying Gavin Henson is the most naturally gifted player alive but it is up to him to achieve his full potential. Warren Gatland, who gave O&#039;Driscoll his big break against France in 2000, has an eye for talent and he is right about Henson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone who doubts Henson&#8217;s talent watch Wales vs Ireland 2009 paying attention to him you&#8217;ll see he organized the defence, made the odd clean break and  put players in space. At one point when he was at fullback well into the 2nd half he effortlessly flicked a pass to the other side of the pitch to stem a counter attack whereas any other fullback under that kind of pressure in their own 22 would have kicked for touch.<br />
I support Ireland but there is no denying Gavin Henson is the most naturally gifted player alive but it is up to him to achieve his full potential. Warren Gatland, who gave O&#8217;Driscoll his big break against France in 2000, has an eye for talent and he is right about Henson.</p>
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		<title>By: Let Us All Talk About Gavin Henson &#124; Welsh Rugby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Let Us All Talk About Gavin Henson &#124; Welsh Rugby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Gavin Henson goes into talks with Mike Cuddy and the rest of the Ospreys management (possibly, depending on the report you believe) in February. He will be talking about his future in the game and either [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Gavin Henson goes into talks with Mike Cuddy and the rest of the Ospreys management (possibly, depending on the report you believe) in February. He will be talking about his future in the game and either [...]</p>
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		<title>By: webleyson</title>
		<link>http://welshrugbyblog.co.uk/gavin-henson-some-facts/comment-page-1/#comment-789</link>
		<dc:creator>webleyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup.  It&#039;s quite obvious what Henson brings to the Welsh team.. Without him, we are not half as good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup.  It&#8217;s quite obvious what Henson brings to the Welsh team.. Without him, we are not half as good.</p>
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		<title>By: Welsh Rugby's Worrying Lack of Tries &#124; Welsh Rugby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Welsh Rugby's Worrying Lack of Tries &#124; Welsh Rugby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] we have seen Shanklin is world class coming onto great passes from Gavin Henson, can split a defence in two. And we have seen with the Lions that Roberts is close to unstoppable, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] we have seen Shanklin is world class coming onto great passes from Gavin Henson, can split a defence in two. And we have seen with the Lions that Roberts is close to unstoppable, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Western Mail Watch Sort of Begins &#124; Welsh Rugby Blog - All Things Welsh Rugby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Western Mail Watch Sort of Begins &#124; Welsh Rugby Blog - All Things Welsh Rugby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] be done to twist facts in a certain direction.  Indeed I gave a go to it myself to show how great Gavin Henson has been for the Ospreys.  That post was slightly tongue in cheek as I was looking to counterpoint [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] be done to twist facts in a certain direction.  Indeed I gave a go to it myself to show how great Gavin Henson has been for the Ospreys.  That post was slightly tongue in cheek as I was looking to counterpoint [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought I might be pushing my luck citing the IRB younger player award – as you rightly point out, it’s not like every recipient has gone onto great things! And even Luke McAllister seems intent on going backwards. My aim was only to try and explain why Henson’s still beset by pundits intent on claiming his failure to reach his ‘potential’, despite being a fine player. 

Fundamentally, I agree entirely that much of the nonsense in the press stems from the fact that he’s ‘Gavin Henson’. It’s a slightly specious comparison, but Rhys Williams or Gareth Delve don’t get anything like the same amount of abuse for being players of the same generation whose careers have been beset by injury, and who haven’t perhaps hit the heights that their performances at 19/20 suggested they were destined for. Perhaps they might if they sold a few more magazines? Or rather, any magazines! 

As I said in my earlier post, I’m in total agreement about his merits - he’s a unique talent, and we’ve not the player base in Wales to be able to ignore someone of his abilities. Let’s hope he gets fit, gets some game time and plays to the level that he’s capable of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought I might be pushing my luck citing the IRB younger player award – as you rightly point out, it’s not like every recipient has gone onto great things! And even Luke McAllister seems intent on going backwards. My aim was only to try and explain why Henson’s still beset by pundits intent on claiming his failure to reach his ‘potential’, despite being a fine player. </p>
<p>Fundamentally, I agree entirely that much of the nonsense in the press stems from the fact that he’s ‘Gavin Henson’. It’s a slightly specious comparison, but Rhys Williams or Gareth Delve don’t get anything like the same amount of abuse for being players of the same generation whose careers have been beset by injury, and who haven’t perhaps hit the heights that their performances at 19/20 suggested they were destined for. Perhaps they might if they sold a few more magazines? Or rather, any magazines! </p>
<p>As I said in my earlier post, I’m in total agreement about his merits &#8211; he’s a unique talent, and we’ve not the player base in Wales to be able to ignore someone of his abilities. Let’s hope he gets fit, gets some game time and plays to the level that he’s capable of.</p>
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		<title>By: Rugby Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rugby Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point about facts being twisted is well made - but I was showing the facts from the other angle that frankly the media seem unwilling to do.  My point (at the end of your excellent comment) is that whilst not above reproach the level of reproach he gets its far more excessive than that any other player gets.

Yes he has been one of the few with the Ospreys since their inception - but he has only played 4 games less than Shane and I still think that is an important point.  The points thing is as a kicker of course but I dont mean that as a point in itself but as an answer to the &#039;what has Henson ever done for the ospreys&#039; critics - the answer is an awful lot.  And that was my main point with this post, to give an answer to a lot of the unbased criticsms.

Of course over the last few years Gavin Henson won&#039;t have done as well, he&#039;s had a nightmare with injuries.  But wasn&#039;t the injury he felt that was &#039;not right&#039; the same one he ended up incurring about 5 or 6 games later for the Ospreys?  Seems he may well have had a point.

He may not take the field when he feels he is not fully right, but look at th abuse he got when he did do it - when he replaced Stephen Jones at 10 against Ireland in 2006, had a &#039;mare and was slated by anyone and everyone for playing when he wasn&#039;t right.  Seems to me Henson can&#039;t win, damned if he does, damned if he doesn&#039;t.

Look at the list of IRB youth player of the years since Henson won it in 2001.  One exception aside (Luke McCalister in 2002) how well have these guys done?  Henson is actually ahead of the curve.  Only Jerome Kaino can be considered to be about as influential as Henson (and then I would doubt it).

Thats the problem often - &#039;he looks healthy when on holiday&#039; feck me, theres an issue.  I bet he would look healthy the day he comes off crutches or gets an arm out of plaster too.  Of course the newspapers and mags use the ones where he looks good - Gavin Henson is a name and a pin up that sells mags/papers.

I&#039;m not trying to say he&#039;s a saint, he&#039;s not.  I am not trying to say he&#039;s the best he could be - he isn&#039;t, and I&#039;m not trying to say he hasn&#039;t got faults - he has.  But in the main they are not all the huge and only slightly more than most players - but get magnified because its &#039;Gavin Henson&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point about facts being twisted is well made &#8211; but I was showing the facts from the other angle that frankly the media seem unwilling to do.  My point (at the end of your excellent comment) is that whilst not above reproach the level of reproach he gets its far more excessive than that any other player gets.</p>
<p>Yes he has been one of the few with the Ospreys since their inception &#8211; but he has only played 4 games less than Shane and I still think that is an important point.  The points thing is as a kicker of course but I dont mean that as a point in itself but as an answer to the &#8216;what has Henson ever done for the ospreys&#8217; critics &#8211; the answer is an awful lot.  And that was my main point with this post, to give an answer to a lot of the unbased criticsms.</p>
<p>Of course over the last few years Gavin Henson won&#8217;t have done as well, he&#8217;s had a nightmare with injuries.  But wasn&#8217;t the injury he felt that was &#8216;not right&#8217; the same one he ended up incurring about 5 or 6 games later for the Ospreys?  Seems he may well have had a point.</p>
<p>He may not take the field when he feels he is not fully right, but look at th abuse he got when he did do it &#8211; when he replaced Stephen Jones at 10 against Ireland in 2006, had a &#8216;mare and was slated by anyone and everyone for playing when he wasn&#8217;t right.  Seems to me Henson can&#8217;t win, damned if he does, damned if he doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Look at the list of IRB youth player of the years since Henson won it in 2001.  One exception aside (Luke McCalister in 2002) how well have these guys done?  Henson is actually ahead of the curve.  Only Jerome Kaino can be considered to be about as influential as Henson (and then I would doubt it).</p>
<p>Thats the problem often &#8211; &#8216;he looks healthy when on holiday&#8217; feck me, theres an issue.  I bet he would look healthy the day he comes off crutches or gets an arm out of plaster too.  Of course the newspapers and mags use the ones where he looks good &#8211; Gavin Henson is a name and a pin up that sells mags/papers.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to say he&#8217;s a saint, he&#8217;s not.  I am not trying to say he&#8217;s the best he could be &#8211; he isn&#8217;t, and I&#8217;m not trying to say he hasn&#8217;t got faults &#8211; he has.  But in the main they are not all the huge and only slightly more than most players &#8211; but get magnified because its &#8216;Gavin Henson&#8217;.</p>
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